Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by Pinch1loaf » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:20 am

You mean now I can bomb the FRICK out of UK and they have to pay for every cent I inflict on them if they want to use their stuff.

OH GOODIE! between the 5 tacs and 1 bomber Germany has you can hit UK for like 20 damage a turn and it they want to use their airbases and naval bases and complex they gotta fork out the cash!

HAHA!

Could that make Sea Lion a possibility? Yeah if they win the Battle of Britain and get past all those Spitfires! That's cool stuff man!

QUESTION: Woudl you roll AA for each bomber individually or en masse since you could mix strategic bombers and tactical bombers in a singer raid provided there are enough targets?

Look when I play Germany I can manage to convey raid UK for at least 2 turns which shuts them down to about 20 IPCs. If I can bomb them for another 15-20 then you can rpety much shut them down and foce them to build elsewhere.

Hmmmm.. Larry I will try this on because I'm so curiouse how this will turn out.

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by Eagle » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:36 am

Eagle wrote:
Larry wrote: Air Battle.

Surviving escorts retreat.
Can Tac's and Bombers be used as Escorts ? As escorts? NO... neither is considered an escort. Escorts are fighters.
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In that case, I think you should state that in the rules, after the

Surviving escorts retreat

you just put in

Bombers are not allowed to retreat

and now we can spend more time playing than arguing how to interpret rules. Remember that its not obvious to the casual player that Bombers should not retreat, since the attacker in most cases may retreat, except when Amphibious Assaulting, but in that case it is stated in the rulebook.
I do concern about this issues. When I spent $ 100 on a game, I want the Rulebook to be perfect.

Bite me...

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by m7574 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:41 am

Eagles' point is valid. Should all seven bombers be lucky enough to survive the interceptors, one may wish to call a few back as to not risk being hit by AA fire.
Since air can retreat from any battle, to clarify would be wise.

Geeze, the things some people come up with though....

why don't you bite me too...

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by WILD BILL » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:02 pm

m7574 wrote:Eagles' point is valid. Should all seven bombers be lucky enough to survive the interceptors, one may wish to call a few back as to not risk being hit by AA fire.
Since air can retreat from any battle, to clarify would be wise.

Geeze, the things some people come up with though....
Yeah I guess you could send many more bmrs then you need to keep their interceptors grounded, but then decide to retreat some of them so you don't expose them all to AA fire (needs a clarification if it can be done or not)




This line should also include interceptors for retreat as well

Yep... probably needs to be addressed. I don't think bombers should be allowed to retreat. At this point why waist everybody's time. I know... where's my freedom of choice? Talk to me - but lets not spend a lot of time on this.

All casualties, both sides, are removed.
Surviving escorts retreat.

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by Dave » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:20 pm

There is a certain elegance to playing A&A in which through a combination of varying purchases, movements, attacks, defensive positions, that good strategy will win out (usually). The big fear that I have (and I think a few other too) is that with the new "inoperative" ICs and facilities along with 1d6+2 damage, that the game may degenerate into brute force bombing campaigns.

Now granted, in the real war, the bombing campaigns that were carried out were devastating. Especially the Allied bombing campaigns later in the war. For all the complaining I read about in some quarters for the US dropping the A-bomb, nary a peep is made that many times more lives were lost to the conventional fire-bombings that were carried out over Japan or Germany. So, if strategic bombing raids end up being devastating in the A&A 1940 games, I can accept that. It would be historically accurate.

My fear is that they could disproportionately affect one side more than the other and then much of the elegance of needing sound purchases, movements, attacks, defensive posturing is lost. As you pointed out though Larry, this would be a way to bring about a quicker end to the game.

I think this +2 is not going to make as much difference as you may think.. I also suspect that the kO'ed at 1 will not be all that much either. But... and its a big BUT. the system is suspect, and being watched..

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by m7574 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:46 pm

I can see the UK and later Russia being SBR's to oblivion. London and Calcutta are especially vulnerable. Later on when the USA arrives the favor could be returned. But will there be a platform left for the USA to strike from by that time?
The game could already be over. I suppose we'll test it out and see. But I agree with everything Dave said.

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by Gargantua » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:48 pm

Brute Force Bombing won't happen.

Or alteast, if it does happen, I can CHOOSE to do something about it, or not.

That's the big difference maker here. Not like the only days, where you got bombed to death, with nothing but shots at 1 to protect you...

You tell em G-man

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Re: Strategic Bombing Raids as of 10/10/11

Post by Eagle » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:34 pm

Larry wrote:SBR

Air Battle.
All escorts and bombers (Strategic & Tactical) fires @ 1
Jets fires @ 2

Generated casualties are placed behind the casualty line and will return fire before being eliminated.

Interceptors. fires @ 1
Jet interceptors fires @ 2

All casualties, both sides, are removed.
Surviving fighters retreat.
Bombers are not allowed to retreat.

Bombing Run
Bombers are assigned to targets.
Strategic bombers can be assigned to any target (IC’s, naval bases. airbase).
Tactical bombers can be assigned only to naval bases and airbases.

Each targeted facility fires @ 1, each can fire one time at each bomber that is attacking it.
All casualties at both stages of the raid are chosen by the owners of the units involved.

Bombs Away
Strategic bombers roll a 1d6+2
Tactical bombers roll a 1d6

Damage Report

The damage to the target (hits) is equal to the total number rolled on the die/dice. Place 1 gray chip (damage marker) under the target for each hit scored.

The target is considered inoperable if it receives any hits. It can be repaired by paying 1 IPC for the removal of each chip. This is done during the players next Purchase & Repair phase 1.
The maximum damage a major IC can receive is 20 damage markers. Minor ICs and bases can’t receive more than 6 damage markers each.

Your comments...
I like it and hope it will make the cut. This is by far the best SBR rule in A&A history so far. Anyway, if WOTC turn it down, I will use this as a houserule, so no matter what happens this rule will live on, at least in Norway.

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