questioneer wrote:Larry wrote:Gentlemen:
First of all thank you for your input on this subject.
I want to inform you that I have decided to change tanks to the following. This will be how tanks are represented in the 1940 series (Alpha+2) and when possible/practical all future iterations of Axis & allies:
Tanks: “Cost 6 Attack: 3 Defense: 2 (3 when supported by infantry and/or mechanized infantry) Move: 2
Supported by forms of infantry: When a tank defends along with an infantry and/or mech unit (Marines, Charlie's Angels, or anything that can ware boots), the tank’s defense increases to 3. Each tank must be matched one-for-one with such a supporting unit. If your tanks outnumbers your support units, the excess tanks units still have a defense of 2. Tanks are not supported by infantry on attacks.”
Again, thanks for your input on this and other related matters.
You're kidding us right??? Seriously...
I'm going to exercise some patience and just suggest the following:
If the rule above is applied- the cost should be 5 otherwise leave the rule as is.
Why did you change this rule? Was there something mechanically wrong that you saw in the playtests so far???
Please explain your thinking...You got me stumped on this one.
So where have you been questioneer? Haven't been seeing much of you lately. I hope school is going well. Why did I make this change? Beats me. I do know that I didn't start this thread. I guess there must have been something wrong with the tank profile. So what do you think. I should back off from this? When I lose your support I start second guessing myself.
I've been checking in here and there but that's all. I didn't want to contribute anything since I haven't done a full playtest. I am doing 2 games (one as Axis and one as Allies)- very long and delayed at times since I'm in school.
The games are in round 5- so far Alpha+2 has been fabulous.
Middle East Oil- awesome addition and I am seeing some action/fighting there.
At this point, and other experienced players will probably agree that the game flow goes like this:
Axis threaten real hard- pushes Russia to the limits then slowly runs out to gas- too big of a supply line to keep up the pressure. If Allies buy and play smart they can weather the storm. Doesn't mean Axis can't win, because there are some definite "pivot" points in the game. It just means that even though the game is much more balanced I still (at this point) judge the game as a slight Allied advantaged game- probably a bid for Allies in that case.
So you are weakening the tanks defensively unless with and inf/mec....hmmm...I don't know. Maybe it really wouldn't hurt much.
So the real question is- When during the game do you think DEFENSIVE tanks are by themselves most commonly? This is where the game would be weakened by this rule.
9 times out of 10 tanks are joined with infantry anyway for fodder purposes...you know what I mean???
I only see this hurting in small battles where you take a tt with just tanks (or tanks survive only) and you don't hold it as well because your defense is now 2 for those units instead of 3. Because I believe the game is slightly Allied advantaged I would think that this would hurt both sides but Axis more than Allies.
Ex. Battle of France - round 1
Germany- 5inf, 4mec, 3art, 5tnks
France- defending with 7inf, 2art , 1tnk, 1ftr
Battle Calculator says Germany wins this over 85% of the time. Using your new tank rule weakens Germany's tanks in the later battle rounds if his infantry (attacking fodder) are exhausted. This would lower that battle %.
Correction- bad example as this would not change Germany's tanks value because they are ATTACKING.
Battles in the opening must be considered when applying this rule- it could wack out the balance right from the start- then you have to play with the setup again- uggh.
I would look at the opening battles in the game...because of this tank rule all of them will have slightly lower percentages now...some may even flip to the other side having the advantage. Be careful.
Update- Analyze the DEFENSIVE side not the attacking side %s as those would not be effected by this rule.
Anaylze these carefully before applying this rule...that is your HW Larry.
My final answer on this rule: Right now, I would side on NOT applying this rule, yet I do admit I need to anaylze this more.
PS- They are reprinting "Shogun"(to be called "Ikusa")- awesome