Operation Sea Lion in Global 1940 Alpha 1+

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Re: Operation Sea Lion in Global 1940 Alpha 1+

Post by QuakerGeneral » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:53 pm

Initial thoughts. The submarine plus scramble option just makes it a bit harder on Germany. They must bring in warships in order to get rid of the sub. They have a Battleship, a Cruiser, and an Aircraft Carrier in all probability. As an aside, the Cruiser sometimes goes down as a casualty of taking down the British fleet on turn One (instead of an air unit which can attack UK). So, this does put a bit more pressure to keep the Cruiser in those circumstances. In any event, let us say that they have the three surface warships but no destroyer. UK scrambles three fighters against them (they fix the airbase if it was damaged previous turn). This means that the Germans must allocate some air units to the sea combat even if there is but a single sub in defense. This can be tricky for Germany because they can't eliminate both the BB and CRUS and still clear the sea zone of the submarine without a destroyer. Thus, they have to allocate quite a bit more than they would if the submarine were not there. After forcing this air diversion, UK can then decide not to scramble (or to scramble only one fighter to stop the bombardments), but they have had the impact of taking away several German air units in the process, probably worth more than the price of the Sub/2 Infantry. I say probably because I need to do the math first. The real merit of this option is that when combined with the British fleet from the Med., it starts to become more and more dicey for Germany to be able to count on landing in UK on Turn Three. The more delays in Sea Lion, the less it makes sense. The submarine addition just seems to be one more wrinkle that a good UK player can throw in the way of Sea Lion. An all out attack on UK by Germany with Germany taking Scotland first, etc. is still going to have a very good chance of success, but the key for a good UK player is to make London last as long as possible while costing Germany as much blood and treasure as possible. The submarine seems to be a nice extra Turn Two or Turn Three option for the UK player in this regard, depending on circumstances of the Germany navy. One thing that seems to really jump out to me is how this impacts the Scotland landing on Turn Two or Three. If UK has enough fire power to do major damage to the German fleet that landed the Scotland forces, the submarine wrinkle might really FUBAR the German war plans. Getting the Germans to buy a destroyer instead of a transport is a huge win for UK as it takes out 7 German IPCs of ground units that can't board the transport that didn't get built whereas the British lost 6 UK IPCs of infantry for a submarine that also helps defend the sea zone and takes up a hit in the sea battle, meaning that Germany probably has to allocate at least one more air unit to the sea battle than before. In my mind, the submarine might be worth a total swing of +11 IPCS to UK in the right circumstances.

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Re: Operation Sea Lion in Global 1940 Alpha 1+

Post by corriganbp » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:13 pm

Krieghund wrote:If planes are scrambled, the subs can't be ignored.
Can the attacking player bring planes into a sea zone that only has valid targets for the air units if the defending player scrambles?

If in this example, the attacking air units wiped out the defending air units before the defending sub was eliminated, could the attacking force then choose to ignore the sub?

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Re: Operation Sea Lion in Global 1940 Alpha 1+

Post by Krieghund » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:22 pm

corriganbp wrote:Can the attacking player bring planes into a sea zone that only has valid targets for the air units if the defending player scrambles?
The attacker can bring any units he/she feels are necessary into a sea zone if scrambling is possible.
corriganbp wrote:If in this example, the attacking air units wiped out the defending air units before the defending sub was eliminated, could the attacking force then choose to ignore the sub?
No.
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Re: Operation Sea Lion in Global 1940 Alpha 1+

Post by marcelvdpol » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:07 am

Well, not only can you make it harder for Germany with only one sub, but with several you could threaten to shoot the fleet out from under his nose, especially if Germany lost some naval units in G1. All those fighters scrambling from the mainland is not going to make one ounce of difference if Germany has no destroyer present.

Ofcourse, Germany can counter this by buying a destroyer but that would mean the fleet needs to be locked against the German coast for yet another turn.

I would definitely fancy my chances as the UK, sending subs against 1 BB and 1 CA, with no air support available due to lack of destroyers and lots of transports to kill should the UK succeed in winning the naval combat. Even if, as a response, Germany buys several Destroyers, it would mean a one-turn delay of SeaLion, which means yet one more turn of buildup of Russian forces as well as bring the US closer into the war.

Possibly the main reason why Larry did NOT include a destroyer in the German setup.

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