Pacific40 Pics and Europe40 Questions

[Imperious leader]

Wish lists notwithstanding, but i am quite sure the British will keep the Mosquito in AAE40 as well as ported over sculpts from AAP. The Japanese mech unit is German and i am sure Italy and Germany will also be getting the same sculpt. However, Germany would be getting a new Stuka ( thank god) and probably the Soviets get a Pe-2 or Te-2.

The Soviet mech infantry will also be that halftrack in AAP40 but in Russian colors.

The only other new pieces would be the french infantry. I guess the french will be using British naval and air units. I don't like it but i am sure that is the way it will be.

Just hope that enough Stukas are in the box ( this means more than 6)

[Patchaman123]

Questions on Europe 40:

Will the Italians have nation-specific units?- besides the infantry and tanks??
No.

Will the Global Rules, NOs and such be included with the Europe??
Yes and Weapons Development

Will USSR, UK, USA, Italy, Germany, France have their own boxes???
Not sure about France but otherwise - Yes

How far is the E40 game finished, Global game??
It's in the can.

More questions to come on Europe...
I'll try to answer them or Krieghund will.

What? Shouldn't the Italians have nation specific units? After all they did. For example, the standard Italian bomber was the SM-79 Spavierio, Sparrowhawk bomber. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cl69qp5 ... re=related
It would be cool if the Italians had their units, because they usually did.

[Patchaman123]

Wish lists notwithstanding, but i am quite sure the British will keep the Mosquito in AAE40 as well as ported over sculpts from AAP. The Japanese mech unit is German and i am sure Italy and Germany will also be getting the same sculpt. However, Germany would be getting a new Stuka ( thank god) and probably the Soviets get a Pe-2 or Te-2.

The Soviet mech infantry will also be that halftrack in AAP40 but in Russian colors.

The only other new pieces would be the french infantry. I guess the french will be using British naval and air units. I don't like it but i am sure that is the way it will be.

Just hope that enough Stukas are in the box ( this means more than 6)

Shouldn't the Soviet tactical bomber be the IL-2 Sturmovik? I feel that would be more appropriate because that was their standard ground attack/tactical bomber aircraft.

[Whackamatt]

How will America enter the war in Europe when playing both P40 & E40 in tandem? What causes America to go to war in just E40, is it turned based like in P40, but with no option for Germany to attack American forces? Then when they're connected, would Japan attacking America before turn 4 have an impact on the German player (i.e. America coming for Germany on Turn 1 instead of 4)? I can see some inner-Axis wrangling about that!

[frog]

America brings up an interesting question. With almost 60 IPC's in Pacific I wonder how many IPC's it will have in the Europe version? How do you represent the US power of industry without USA putting all IPC's in one theatre and busting the game?

Anybody willing to share?

[WILD BILL]

I would think that both 40E, and 40GL would have a similar end of 3rd round US Dec Of War, unless already at war by that time. In 40E I'm sure G/I will be able to attack the US at any time, bringing them in. Sounds dumb, but the US took over convoy escorts to England before Pearl. Some say it was to provoke the Germans to attack the US war ships. This move actually reduced losses to merchant ships during this time as Germany had a hands off US war ships policy. Any way I can't see the axis attacking the US in 40E (but should have the option). The only thing I can think of that might bring US into the war early besides a direct attack is if the UK falls below a certain IPC level in 40E. Say a successful sea lion.
40GL would just be an extension of 40P. I would think that any axis power would be able to attack the US at any time, bringing them in. Some would argue that the leadership of the US wanted an excuse/attack to join the war. I would think that if the US is attacked that it would go to its war time economy on both sides of the board, because the US declared war on both G/I right after Pearl, and vise versa.

I'm sure there will be discussions among the axis on this subject. In 40GL the UK/Anz & Jap political situation will most likely still be in effect (who attacks who first), as well as no aid to China (execept maybe Russia).

[Flashman]

There is absolutely no way FDR could have taken the country to war without it being attacked.

It took a great deal of chicanery to get the Lend-Lease legislation passed. Most Americans were, by 1940, willing to support the principle of supplying arms to the Democracies; but not to sending Americans to fight in European wars, nor even to supplying convoy escorts.

The Tripartite pact obliged Germany and Italy to go to war with America if Japan became so, but this was not signed until September 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

It is also worth considering that until Pearl Harbour the USA had so few military resources that becoming directly involved in war would probably have been a handicap to the Allies up till that point.

[WILD BILL]

There is absolutely no way FDR could have taken the country to war without it being attacked.

Agreed, but we're talking about game play here. There will be some trigger to bring the US in if the axis refuse to attack them. Then UK doesn't attack Japan first (kind of a BS rule if you ask me). If the US doesn't enter the game, you might as well pack it up. Axis win.
PS: From what I've read FDR wanted to get going, I think he would have figured something out even w/o Pearl. At some point Japan would have made some kind of threat/mistake. Oops we didn't realize you were an American war ship, we thought you were some one else.

It took a great deal of chicanery to get the Lend-Lease legislation passed. Most Americans were, by 1940, willing to support the principle of supplying arms to the Democracies; but not to sending Americans to fight in European wars, nor even to supplying convoy escorts.

That's funny, because Churchill crossed the Atlantic in Aug, 1941 to meet FDR in Newfoundland to discuss US involvement in escorting convoy's to England. There was also a US build up in Iceland at the time. In the fall of 1941, just before Pearl, the US navy was involved in protecting convoy's in the Atlantic. There was a drop in raids for those 2-3 months. Much was to do with Hitler ordering u-boats to Gilbr at the time. I think Hitler wanted war w/US, just not yet. I think he wanted to own all of Europe first (or at least have UK/Russia in the bag) so he could force a deal.

The Tripartite pact obliged Germany and Italy to go to war with America if Japan became so, but this was not signed until September 1940. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

In 40E, I can't see Germany attacking the US. There will be some kind of trigger to bring her in at a certain time (most likely end of rd #3 like 40P). With that said, Germany may decide to attack just prior to that time if it serves its purpose. It might be able to take out a few US ships, or disrupt convoys if things fall into place.

In 40GL it has to be full out war with all axis powers if any of them attacks the US. I know the date of the Tripartite Pact, it won't be relevant to the game however. Just the fact that it existed will be enough for Larry.

It is also worth considering that until Pearl Harbour the USA had so few military resources that becoming directly involved in war would probably have been a handicap to the Allies up till that point.

This is very true, I read some where that the US forces were ranked like 19th, about the same as Portugal prior to Pearl. Its just a good thing we got our act together.

**I am wondering though about the rule in 40P. The one that says if UK/Anz attacks Japan then US stays out, that I get. What I'm not sure about is if Japan attacks UK/Anz/Dutch first then the US enters the war. I'm not sure if that would happen. I don't remember any type of UK/US vs Jap pact. I hope that this rule is tossed in the global game allowing the Japs to go to war with the UK.
If Japan would have invaded all the UK/Dutch colonies, but only blockaded the Phil (not attacked Pearl) would the US have entered the war. I don't think so. I think at some point there would have been some minor BS flash point that would trigger war, like the Japs attack a US war ship mistaking it for a British ship. Maybe FDR would have put US ships into British fleets on purpose, who knows.