Stacking Limits

We've talked about Advanced A&A... Now I'd like to hear your comments on what YOU envision a DELUXE A&A GAME to be. What would it look like.
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Stacking Limits

Post by Flashman » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:31 pm

Aldertag's reaction to my map -

"too many areas, too many sea zones, too many IPCs"

led me thinking that, if we do have all of these things, do we also need some kind of stacking limit per territory?

The reason is that the game could become dominated by a number of "super-stacks" of the kind that ruined AAE. In other words players might use this extra income to build large field armies which stomp around the map sucking up undefended lands until they collide with each other in mega deathmatches. Quite fun, but not Axis and Allies.

So perhaps a limit of ten units per area, maybe 12 with the presence of a General?

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Post by Larry » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:06 pm

Starting to sound contrived...

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Post by FleetAdmiral » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:33 pm

I disagree, a 12 unit stacking limit would be difficult, especially if using National Advantages such as Joint Strike.

Stacking limits are good in Operational scale games such as Battle of the Bulge. But such imposing such limits on Axis and Allies were you build your units instead of receiving them as reinforcements would take away from the fun of building those mega armies.

No stacking limits have another advantage, it helps to ensure that players can be penalized if they have their forces out of position when their opponents attack.

And lastly, large stacks of men help to keep an interesting game going, instead of ending early by forcing an opponent to disperse his forces due to territory stacking limits.
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dispersion

Post by Hefsgaard » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:10 am

A larger number of zones (sea or land) will proberly force players to disperce the megastacks to cover multiple accessroutes/attacklanes.
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Post by Flashman » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:52 pm

OK, just an idea.

But I don't want to end up with another AAE superstack clomping all over the map. Say a power has a three-territory border with it's main opponent. I want a game where his forces are likely to be distributed more or less evenly across those territories, rather than just one big stack for killing anything that moves. There's little point in having a larger map if victory comes down to controlling the same few territories by building the biggest single stack.

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Post by davion76 » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:43 pm

This is why I would like to see a simple supply rule added. At the beginning of a turn, check to see if there is a line of territories back to an industrial complex and/or a victory city. If you wanted to include sea territories, a transport would be required (or maybe more complicated, #transports available * X units are in supply). Units that aren't in supply get attack/defence value -1) This would do two things at once - reduce the number of uberstacks, and 2) make the blitz potentially more effective by surrounding troops and cutting off their supply.

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