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Post by Nuclear » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:11 pm

Flashman wrote:more like 5% error rate because you male claims on the names of territories which themselves comprise of 'unofficial' carvings of territories due to game purposes of which you have no understanding. Those territories can have any number of names because they don't represent anything other than a name.

IL at his carpet-chewing best, there.

Scene: The skies over Rio de Oro

Captain Imperious Leader and his no. 2 Nuclear are flying their B-26 round in circles. They are clearly lost, but neither wants to admit as much.

IL: Hey, Nuke, isn't it time we dropped our bomb load? We should be over the Reich by now, surely.
N: But isn't that desert down there? There isn't a desert within a hundred miles of Berlin.
IL: Who cares? We've been flying for 3 hours, so we must be near enough.
N: But it looks like, yes, it's Rio de Oro! Why waste bombs on a garbage territory like that. Besides, since our boys went in last year it's been on our side.
IL: So? We're Americans; dropping bombs on countries we couldn't point out on a map is our national sport!
N: Are you sure it's OK to bomb a country that's coloured neutral white?
IL: Remember when we flattened Ethiopia? That was coloured mauve for interesting gameplay purposes, and we decided to go ahead and bomb the place anyway. Y'know, I just wish sometimes that the world was square and divided up like a chessboard so we didn't have to worry about all these squiggly lines and confusing names and colours.
N: You should retire back to your beach house in The Southern West-East Rockies American combat zone, and take some long swims in sea zone 13.
IL: Don't be so soulless, AAF5743. Things have names for a good reason. So use them. And be accurate. Do it properly. Show a bit of professionalism by doing some thorough research. My God, I'm beginning to sound like Flashman!
N: You really do need to retire. Please. Do us all a favour.

IL dons parachute and jumps out, landing awkwardly in the middle of the desert. And nothing is ever heard of him again. Except for the sound of strangular yells.
First I would like to point out that I am not IL's puppet. I do not agree with him on lots of stuff. And the story your wrote is completely disrespectful to IL and I.

As for my North Altantic map, I think it is coming along pretty well. I do not understand your objections made in this thread along with the story above.

Flashman, when I have ever made disrespectful stories about you?

Sooner or later I may just leave this forum because I am tired of individuals such as yourself. Thinking you know when you do not.

Hey, IL which forum is it, that you are a mod of? I may just decide to go there.
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Post by Imperious leader » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:14 pm

Show a bit of professionalism by doing some thorough research. My God, I'm beginning to sound like Flashman!
I guess then this "research" in your case = flashmans bias of what he thinks "looks Better" and never anything factual.
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Post by Hefsgaard » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:22 am

Whoever started this bickering between you peolpe, you need to take a step back and move on. This is a forum, not a playground. While needling each other can be fun from time to time, it should not be overdone. I dont care who is right about things such as Rio D'Oro, though I think we can all agree that the original A&A map is not only wrong, but also that the area has no impact on gameplay. However its fair to point out items that we think are in fault, or could be done better.
Perhaps the 3 of you should compare background material, and start a thread to disguss that, instead of infecting every map thread with the debate.

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Post by elbowsanchez » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:02 am

Its all Larrys fault ;) he is the project manager on this!!

ES

on a more serious note: Hefsgaard, your right on target...keep things to constructive opinions or you all loose your credibility...
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Post by Nuclear » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:56 pm

elbowsanchez wrote:Its all Larrys fault ;) he is the project manager on this!!

ES

on a more serious note: Hefsgaard, your right on target...keep things to constructive opinions or you all loose your credibility...
Really? Who determines what credibility is and how it is obtained?

The current debates taking place in a lot of the threads are due to conflicting sound arguments. Flashman makes a case for historical accuracies. IL makes it more based off the off the looks and overall function of the game. (Correct me if I am wrong). I on the other hand base my map off looks, game play function, and some historical accuracies. I am not big into the accuracy of excat terriority names, but mroe so on how the boarders of the time looked and how that in particular works in with the function and game playability aspects.

Yes, maps will always in the end be determined by their creators, however when posting/sharing a project of a map or a map in public, there is going to be responses. When posting a map the user acknowledges that comments are going to be given and feedback will come back to them in the form of a post.

I will admit I have not yet as to this date have come up with my own theory as to how the perfect map is, but I am slowly starting to get there. Flashman has his (Historical Accuracy), IL has his (Looks and to some degree functionality).

My position as of now is more or less the following:
1. Color configuration (Needs to look good to the eye)
2. Historical Boarders (At least accurate to some high degree)
3. Functionality of the zones
4. Can the map be used for different time periods (Different Start dates)
5. If each time you play it, it could be different
6. IPC values placed in such a way as to be accurate to a degree and yet meaningful.
7. Division of areas to bring in a more movement aspect to the game. Games in which you progress in a linear fashion are usally boring. I like being able to go in different directions.
8. Enought but not to many symbols on the map.
9. Orginality of Artwork.
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Post by elbowsanchez » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:06 pm

Nuclear wrote:
elbowsanchez wrote:Its all Larrys fault ;) he is the project manager on this!!

ES

on a more serious note: Hefsgaard, your right on target...keep things to constructive opinions or you all loose your credibility...
Really? Who determines what credibility is and how it is obtained?
let me present this in a way that perhaps you may be able to understand...

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Post by elbowsanchez » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:09 pm

I was trying to make light with all this tension. Personally doesnt bother me you guys hashing it out, but keep it civil.

It is punishment enough we have to wait for AAG...

I was teasing Larry because he was taking a more project manager role with his new version...I hope perhaps he may of stopped production because of something...Christmas sales more likely, but he has been mighty quiet lately...

ES
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Post by Flashman » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:11 pm

I'm quite content to stick to the facts and leave it at that.

But everytime I post something constructive Billy Boy weighs in with some sarcastic remark as though every comment is a personal insult to himself.

Analyse the posts over the last month and you'll find that while mine contain a wealth of factual information useful to any map designer, IL's comments consist almost entirely of vitriolic personal abuse and carpet-chewing temper tantrums because he can't dominate the discussion due to lack of basic knowledge (for him, anywhere within 200 miles is "near enough"; what use is that to anyone?).

By the way, just because Rio de Oro isn't important (in AAR it has absolutely no reason to exist) doesn't excuse putting it in the wrong place. I want the board to look like a real map of the World, give or take a little distortion here and there to accomodate combat units. Anyone would think this attitude was a crime.

I really don't know why certain folks take this ribbing so seriously. If you called me "Trashman" when you disagree with me I'd probably just laugh. But, if you all want a dry-as-bones po-faced database exchange I'll go along with it for the sake of peace.

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