I'll be checking in on this thread now and then and hope I can answer any questions you may have.
Buckeyeboy 1 2A 3B 6 7A
Caractacus 1A 3 6 7A 9
Jim010 1 2A 3B 6 7A
Kaufschtick 1 2A 3B 6 7A
Krieghund 2B 3C 6 8 9*
Kungfujew 1A 3A 5 6 7A 9
Larry 1A 3A 6 7A 9
Lord Nielsen 1 2C 3B 4B 5 6 7A
TunnelRat 1A 3A 6 8
UrJohn 5A 6 8
Wackamatt 1 3A 5 6 7
Canuck12 1A 2A 3C 5 5A 7A
I want to narrow the next generation of competing changes.
Changes that will be made:
#6 - Add 1 naval base to ANZAC’s New South Wales
Removed from consideration:
#2 – Remove 1 Ftr, 1 Tac and 1 Bomber from Japan
#2B – Remove 1 strategic bomber from Manchuria only
#2C – Some other aircraft removal combination
#3 - Switch cruiser 39, and UK battleship and 2 transports 37
#4B – What the hell is 4B?
#7 – One time +15 bonus if Japan does not attack on turn 1
#10 – Award US 40 IPCs immediately if and when attacked.
Still under consideration:
#1 – Add following Chinese infantry - +2 Kwe, +1 Yun, +2 Sze
#1A – Add more Chinese than listed above
#2A – Remove the 3 aircraft from Japan and 1 Bomber Manch.
#3A – Switch cruiser 39 and UK battleship and 1 transport
#3B – Leave battleship 37 and move 2 transports to 39
#3C – Leave battleship 37 and move 1 transport to 39
#5 – Switch Japanese battleship in 33 with cruiser 19
#7A - +10 bonus for each turn Japan is not at war with allies
#8 – Dutch islands convert to UK control with Japanese DOW
#9 – Japan must garrison Manchuria. Numbers TBD
Interpreting the numbers:
#1 & 1A: Adding more than +2 Kwe, +1 Yun, +2 Sze is as equally supported by the group as the idea of adding even more Chinese infantry than this.
#2A: Removing 3 aircraft (Ftr,Tac,Bomb) form Japan and 1 Strategic bomber from Manchuria is supported by only Jim010, Canuck12 and Kauf/Buckey.
#3A, #3B and #3C: This is about whether or not 1 or 2 transports should be moved to SZ39. It’s also about switching the battleship and the cruiser. #3A (switch cruiser 39 and UK battleship and 1 transport 37) has the most support. One of the supporters is me and I’m leaning more and more towards #3C (Leave battleship 37 and move 1 transport to 39). I think that having 2 transports off India (SZ39) is potentially too impactful on not only this game but the Global game as well.
#6: Add a naval base to NSW is almost supported by everyone.
7A, 8 and 9: This is not necessarily a case of one or the others. There still is the possibility of a combination or even all three (doubtful). The concepts are #7A (Japan should receive +10 IPCs for each turn it is not at war), #8 (Dutch islands convert to UK control with Japanese DOW), and #9 (Japan must garrison Manchuria). No one thought that it would be a good idea for Japan to have all three of these changes. Five people think that Japan should only have one of these possibilities… and that one was #7A (Japan should receive +10 IPCs for each turn it is not at war).
We seem to have broken into 4 groups when it comes to these 3 ideas.
Group 1( Canuck12, Jim010, Kauf/Buckey, and Lord Nielsen) supports the idea of only awarding +10 IPCs for Japan remaining at peace. #7A.
Group 2 (Caractacis, Krieghund, Kungfujew, Larry) supports the idea of awarding the +10 IPCs but also requiring Japan to garrison Manchuria. #7A & #9.
Group 3 (Autarch,) wants the Dutch islands to convert to UK should the Japanese DOW and Japan being required to garrison Manchuria. #8 & #9
Group 4 (tunnelRat, UrJohn) both want only the Dutch islands to convert. #8
Dealing with these three issues 7A, 8 and 9 is the real task at hand. Which one or which ones should we use.
For the record… I like the idea of a garrisoned Manchuria a lot. It marries up nicely with the Global game (just lift the restriction when playing Global). Dutch islands converting to UK control with Japanese DOW seems a bit complicated to me, but it does have precedents. It also throws a bunch of, before now unseen, IPCs at the UK. I do recognize that these additional IPCs will help ward off a J3IC, but so will being forced to garrison Manchuria. As for Japan receiving +10 for each turn it is not at war… this is intuitively easy to grasp and consequently enticing to you average player. I’m not sure you can stop a J3IC with out it.
At this point, I’ll bet this is how we’ll net out after all is said and done…
1, 3C, 6, 7A, 9
Add +2 Kwe, +1 Yun, +2 Sze to China’s setup
Leave battleship in 37 and move 1 transport to 39
Add 1 naval base to ANZAC’s New South Wales
Japan receives +10 IPCs for each turn it is not at war
Japan must garrison Manchuria
"War is much more fun when you're winning!" - General Martok
I think the following setup is where I’d like to end up. If this is moving a bit too fast for some of you I apologize. I going to list the setups rather than tell you what has changed.
I recommend you test this setup and give me some feed back. Let me know how you like it. What you don’t like about it.
I call this setup Scenario Alpha.
All the National Objectives and bonus incomes remain as they are in the present Pacific40 rule book, with the exception of the following two NOs:
Note: The UK will gain 5 IPCs for controlling Kwangtung and Malaya at the same time but only if at war.
Note: The United States will collect 5 IPCs per round for controlling the Philippines but only if at war.
Szechwan 5 Infantry and one fighter
Hunan 2 Infantry
Yunnan 4 Infantry
Kweichow 2 Infantry
Shensi 1 Infantry
Suiyuyan 2 Infantry
Malaya 1 Infantry
New South Wales - 1 Infantry, 1 Minor IC, 1 Naval Base.
New Zealand - 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Queensland - 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Sea Zone 62 -1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 63 – 1 Cruiser
United Kingdom (India)
Sea Zone 37 - 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 39 - 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport
Kwangtung - 2 Infantry, 1 Naval Base
Burma - 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Malaya - 3 Infantry, 1 Naval Base
India - 6 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AA Gun, 1 Fighter, 1 Tac Bomber, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC
Western US - 3 Infantry, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Bomber, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC
Hawaiian Islands - 2 Infantry, 2 fighters, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Philippines - 2 Infantry, 1 fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Midway - 1 Airbase
Wake Island - 1 Airbase
Guam - 1 Airbase
Sea Zone 26 - 1 Sub, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 10 - Battleship, Cruiser, Transport, Carrier w/Tac & Ftr
Sea Zone 35 - 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
Japan - 6 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Tank, 2 Fighters, 2 Tac Bombers, 1 Bomber, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC
Manchuria - 6 Infantry, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AA Gun, 2 Fighters, 2 Tac Bombers, 1 Bomber
Palau Island - 1 Infantry
Kiangsi - 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Formosa - 1 Fighter
Shantung - 2 Infantry
Kwangsi - 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Iwo Jima - 1 Infantry
Jehol - 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Caroline Islands - 1 AA gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Infantry
Siam - 2 Infantry
Okinawa - 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Kiangsu - 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tac Bomber.
Korea - 3 Infantry
Sea Zone 6 - 1 Sub, 2 Destroyers, 2 Carriers each with 2 Tac & 2 Ftrs., 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 19 - 1 Sub, 1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 33 - 1 Destroyer, 1 Carrier w/ 1 Tac & 1 Ftrs.
Sea Zone 20 - 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport
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